Now you can imagine how the SPÖ + ÖVP and the Federal President (as Commander in Chief of the Army) would react in an emergency.
Instead, he greets the Muslim refugees at the train station. Nobody can say how many IS fighters were among them.
christian95 Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 10:17 am
Now you can imagine how the SPÖ + ÖVP and the Federal President (as Commander-in-Chief of the Army) would react in an emergency. Until they have fought for a decision, Austria no longer exists! But when it comes to billions of our tax money for Greece, they will be in agreement in just a few hours!
neusiedlersee Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 9:23 pm
What is currently happening is an emergency. But as is known, my east. Strategists on this: The situation is hopeless, but not serious. Somehow we can do it, say the politicians. Someone will give us asylum. The people must briskly take their future into their own hands. God save Austria, a Federal Chancellor has already announced – and has slipped away.
Oberon Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 10:07 pm
@neusiedlersee, the one with the memorable words was Schuschnigg. As far as I know, the Nat.Soz. imprisoned as “protective prisoner” in various concentration camps …
neusiedlersee Tue., Sep. 15, 2015 12:13 pm
The “Captain” Schuschnigg hid in his luxury home in the Belvedere. After house arrest and Gestapo detention, he was sent to Sachsenhausen concentration camp. There he lived with his family and a maid in a single-family house. His furniture + library including family jewelry (!) Was delivered to him. Its survival is still unclear. But it was granted and forgiven him.
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Rumor13 Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 09:23 am
Thousands of asylum seekers are quietly housed in Vienna without informing others. Last night in the GZW Hietzing (formerly Lainz nursing home) where 800 refugees were quartered. After the elections, this will be sold as a great heroic deed. They don’t even have enough sleeping places for our homeless (crypt, Vinziheim, etc.) …… ….
M. Marcus Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 10:18 am
should you have called them during the night to inform them? It is about so-called crisis management and that is not sitting in front of the PC and letting out stupid sayings, but tackling and working out solutions.
Independent Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 10:50 am
We? Why we? What do we have to do with it? Aren’t 500,000 unemployed enough for them? 30,000 cannot afford the school supplies, or what about the people who cannot afford the heating. etc. The boat is full and it is always sinking.
Neusiedlersee Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 9:30 pm
A government requires timely, foresighted and comprehensive crisis management that includes all conceivable crises. Ten months ago that would have been in time. Last night it was Austrian botch by political amateurs.https://123helpme.me/ Such a botch is e.g. the First World War has been triggered.
Oberon Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 10:11 pm
@neusiedlersee, politicians with foresight … WHERE are they ?? Ours just manage to think outside the box without breaking their noses. 🙂
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Tavington Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 9:23 am
the austrian government is the weakest of all. no opinion of their own, they can only insult hungary and orbán as nazi. now the taxler will abuse germany and merkel as nazi? I don’t think you need backbone and character for that. he definitely doesn’t have that.
christian95 Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 10:03 am
We voluntarily elected this government, and if Merkel or Orban were to co-rule our small country, we would all be much better off. To compensate, send our highly paid 92 directors into the desert … But that is not possible according to the constitution. So we have to choose others if we want another government!
M. Marcus Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 10:16 am
@ christian95: as you can see from your numerous requests to speak, you can only get excited, polemically provoked and really have no idea about the world out there. Otherwise, you would not want an Orban government. Then you could no longer write your postings because they would be censored. In addition, you would have significantly poorer social security.
Ivoir Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 1:18 pm
Irony on: We don’t need an Orban, Strache is better and more efficient. Irony off
neusiedlersee Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 9:36 pm
Ministers are servants of the people. We chose them, we pay them. We can fire them too. Unfortunately only theoretically. You really shouldn’t want Orban as BK, Mr. Christian, although his policies may be the right one for Hungary in some areas.
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Oberon Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 8:38 am
How much longer will bosses understand that their employees who take the train to work are late? Did any of the Reds, who still call themselves socialists, even think about it? With the high rate of unemployment nowadays, people are easily exchanged if “something does not fit”. Therefore – help for WAR refugees, YES, …..
Oberon Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 8:39 am
….but not up to Austrian self-abandonment and not always on the part of the local population that cannot defend themselves. Nickelsdorf, Traiskirchen etc.
vinoveri56 Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 3:44 pm
Nice that we are still doing so well! Everyone should think so, why are we born in prosperity and not the refugees, they don’t sometimes have the right to live better! Everything is only borrowed anyway! You shouldn’t pour oil on the fire!
Oberon Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 3:59 pm
I am really happy to have been born in Austria and grant everyone in this world that they can live in their country in freedom, peace and prosperity. If my wishes could be realistically implemented, I would be one of the first to be happy about it! A bit of idealism from my youth is still left …
Oberon Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 16:00
… Question: WHERE in my previous posting “am I pouring fuel on the fire?”
neusiedlersee Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 9:46 pm
In contrast to Oberon, I was born in Austria. We are granted freedom in relation to the immigrants’ countries of origin. To this one would have to add: STILL! But under freedom I, as a free and unbound person, imagine something different from what our or European democracies allow. The surveillance will become more extensive because it has to be with what is to come
Oberon Mon., Sep. 14, 2015 10:25 pm
@neusiedlersee, I was born in Austria too, but Austria has fewer letters. 😉 Otherwise I agree with you.
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The approval of the SPÖ leadership to an upper limit for refugees has caused great resentment in parts of the social democracy. Eva Maltschnig from the well-known critical Viennese SPÖ Section Eight speaks in an interview about the fundamental structural flaws of the party and explains why it still remains a member.
Ms. Maltschnig, how proud are you these days to be a member of the SPÖ? There are always ups and downs. The last low was red-blue in Burgenland, but the intensity now comes directly afterwards.
On Facebook, you called the approval of the cap “hideous and utterly disappointing”. Was the surprise really that big? Yes absolutely. And that’s because it wasn’t that long ago that something diametrically different was said and the federal government never tired of emphasizing that an upper limit would be a crazy idea.
But above all the top of the city. It was Michael Häupl who insisted on taking a stand during the election campaign. Is that why the disappointment with its pan is even greater? I would say yes. Last week, people from the SPÖ Vienna publicly took a position against an opinion of the mayor, including city councilors Sandra Frauenberger and Sonja Wehsely. That usually never happens and it shows that many were extremely angry about the result of the asylum summit.
“Everyone found out from the newspaper”
Was there no communication within the party about the new line? No not at all. The Friday before last there was even a federal party executive. One could have talked about how things should go with the asylum summit. But you don’t. I think pretty much everyone heard that from the papers.
Can you explain to yourself what led Michael Häupl to move away from attitude and towards the upper limit? I don’t have the faintest idea.
Not only city councilors have expressed their rejection of the upper limit, it is above all the young, left-wing base that is revolting. On the Facebook page of Section 8, the question was asked: “When will the SPÖ members who want to uphold social democratic values finally split off?” Yes, when? We came to the conclusion that it won’t get any better if there are no leftists in the SPÖ. It is important that we exist as a critical voice within the party. Criticism is perceived differently when it comes from within one’s own organization.
Is this left voice heard in the party? Yes, yes. Definitely on the asylum issue. Not necessarily from the federal party now, but I can already see a lot of it in Vienna. For example, how the refugee coordinator Peter Hacker dealt with the issue. City councilors Wehsely and Frauenberger are also politically on a path that I very much support. These are very factual politicians who try not to panic, but to say very specifically what we as a community are doing to face the problem. I find that quite valuable in the whole thing. It is just not possible to get this through in the federal government.
Isn’t the problem then that positions are being pushed through by force on the part of the top? What happened around this asylum summit is, for me, a sign of extreme unprofessionalism in political leadership. You just have to put it that way. You can’t just send someone into negotiations without first clarifying basic positions. But that’s exactly what happened and that seems incredibly amateurish to me. It is extremely dangerous, especially when it comes to a subject where half the population has the feeling that politics cannot do it.
Political advisor Yussi Pick expressed the opinion on Twitter that “all leftists in the SPÖ share responsibility” for the swing to the upper limit. Do you agree with him? No. For example, I’m not in a position where I can make that decision. I am in a position where I can develop a discursive counterbalance within the party. To ensure that this is relevant within the SPÖ, that is my job and that is also my room for maneuver.
The SPÖ is deeply divided on the issue of immigration. Is the time of big popular parties just over? Maybe, but I think that’s a shame. That’s why I’m in the SPÖ: Because I personally find it interesting to deal with people with different realities of life. That’s why I don’t see it as a problem at all that there are different positions. It would rather irritate me if there was no discussion at all. The question is, can we agree on something?
Well, let’s assume there had been a discussion process beforehand and the majority would have advocated an upper limit, then I can say I did not get my way. Even if you get a result that you can’t live with that well, that means something for the dynamics in a party if there is a group that clearly opposes such upper limits. A minority opinion is also valuable within a party. Because it maintains a certain pressure.
“There is a lack of enthusiasm for discussion”
Does the SPÖ generally lack a culture of discussion? I think she often lacks the will to discuss things. You have completely forgotten what is really exciting about a political party: that you can deal with any topic. It is incredibly diverse, it is a totally exciting task and especially the dispute and the argument is a totally unique selling point in parties. But none of this has priority in the SPÖ.
What is the SPÖ still lacking? In terms of basic democratic rules. The SPÖ has absolutely no mechanisms in its own party that would make changes possible. If Werner Faymann would no longer appeal to me as party chairman, I would not even be able to run against him. Either one goes voluntarily or he is put through by the state governors. But I can always only say yes or no to a particular candidate and that is of course poison for the discussion culture, because personnel transfers can always be extremely horrific. There is always someone who deals something with someone else. And that always has a bad aftertaste. I would also like to have personal discussions related to topics. In other countries, candidates for party leadership present themselves with election programs.
How do you get more democracy in the party? The big chance for this is always electoral defeat, because someone always remembers that there is also a party organization that should somehow be taken care of.
But there has been no shortage of defeats lately. That’s true, but maybe the suffering isn’t great enough. On the other hand, Michael Häupl will retire at some point. And that’s sooner or later. There is no designated successor in sight and there are many different views in the Vienna SPÖ as to where the priorities of politics should be. So you can either deal with someone again, but you can be sure that the conflict will continue. Or you let the members decide on the successor based on positions and encourage people to run for candidates.
“We don’t win high with Faymann”
But the problem is not limited to Vienna. In your opinion, how promising is it to go to another National Council election with Werner Faymann? Well, we won’t win it high. You have to be that realistic.
Back to the discontent in the left wing of the SPÖ. From the outside you get the impression that many are upset, but nobody really stands up. There are and never were wings in the SPÖ. The organizational culture is still shaped today by the thinking, “we have to stand like a man”.Share this on WhatsApp